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Tarantino resounds on Joker’s ‘massive level subversion’

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Quentin Tarantino recently appeared in a three hour episode of Empire movie podcast with Edgar Wright and explained how the talk show scene in Todd Phillips’ Joker is “a subversion on a massive level”. The playlist, Tarantino started off by explaining how, while most of the Jokers are “good,” the talk show scene is where it becomes something really special.

“Then it comes to the talk show scene, and you feel the whole atmosphere in the theater change,” Tarantino says excitedly. “It’s not suspense; they’re beyond suspense. They’re riveted. Everyone in the audience is completely hooked up.“Subversion on a huge level, what runs deep is this: it’s not just suspenseful, it’s not just fascinating and exciting, the director subverts audiences because the Joker is such a fucking nutty,” Tarantino explained. “The character of Robert De Niro’s talk show is do not a movie villain. He looks like an asshole, but he’s no more of an asshole than David Letterman. He’s just a comedian, a talk show guy.

“It is do not a movie villain. It born deserves to die. Yet, while the audience is watching the Joker, they want him to kill Robert De Niro; they want him to take that gun, stick it in his eyes and blow his head off. What if the Joker didn’t kill him? You would be pissed off. It is subversion on a massive level! They got the audience to think crazy and want something [they would never normally want]. And they will lie about it! [“Audiences] will say, ‘no I did not [want that to happen]!, ‘and they fuck liars. They did it.

Tarantino also noted that you are doing yourself a disservice if you don’t see Joker in the theater. In his words, “You have manual labor rather than good sex … [or a] trio.”

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Throughout the podcast, Tarantino also touches on James Cameron’s Aliens, The Terminator, Alfred Hitchcock’s Psycho, Hot Fuzz, Shaun of the Dead, Once Upon A Time in Hollywood, and Django Unchained.

For more on Joker, check out our thoughts on why, despite Joaquin Phoenix winning the Oscar for Best Actor, Joker was never going to win the best movie, and the full screenplay of the film.

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Adam Bankhurst is a news editor for IGN. You can follow him on Twitter @AdamBankhurst and on Tic.


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